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May 31, 2009 has anyone tried counting cards at Hawaiian Gardens Casino? It's a variation of blackjack where you have the option of playing banker. I believe they have 8 deck shoes, automatic shufflers, burn three cards at a certain point, and switch dealers often. Minimum bet is 5 and max is 50 to prevent the all of the sudden big bets from favourable decks.
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I am going to visit San Jose on business for a couple of days, so, I was looking at the casinos in the area to kill an evening. And found this: 21st century blackjack.
I assume, this is a common thing in California (there was a title 'California games' on that site somewhere), so, perhaps, somebody, familiar with it can enlighten me?
I am assuming, the strategy is to to bet the minimum until you get to be the 'player-dealer', and then just hope for the best (and for the other players betting the max), right? Assuming not everyone bets the minimum when I am the dealer, I would have and edge of about 2.16% of the amount over the minimum with that strategy. Is this right, or am I missing something?
Does it happen often that players bet significantly more than the minimum in those games?
What is the usual ante (or whatever the proper term is for what you have to pay to the house for playing) amount?
And why in the world does it pay 6:5 for blackjack (and why H17, and no surrender)? I mean, as far as I understand, it does not make any difference to them whatsoever who wins, so why bastardize the game for no benefit?
I don't know all the details of the arrangement between the syndicates that typically 'bank' these games in California non-tribal properties (commercial card rooms), but I am sure there is a fee being paid to bank the games.
If you want to get away from this type of arrangement (and 6:5 BJ), you should go to a tribal casino. Other than being forbidden to use dice and wheels (whcih make 'California Card Craps' and California Card Roulette' quite amusing substitutes) you are able to play most card based games in a similar fashion to Vegas at the tribal properties in CA.
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And why in the world does it pay 6:5 for blackjack
Because 3:2 is so 20th century.
Because 3:2 is so 20th century.
Wow. Funniest thing I read all day!
I am not familiar with 21st Century BJ but, typically the player-dealer in these games is designated by the casino and you don't get to ever be the player-dealer.
The website says that each player is offered to bank in turn.
I don't know all the details of the arrangement between the syndicates that typically 'bank' these games in California non-tribal properties (commercial card rooms), but I am sure there is a fee being paid to bank the games.
I am sure, there is :) There is a fee to play too. That is one of my questions - how large is it?
If you want to get away from this type of arrangement (and 6:5 BJ), you should go to a tribal casino. Other than being forbidden to use dice and wheels (whcih make 'California Card Craps' and California Card Roulette' quite amusing substitutes) you are able to play most card based games in a similar fashion to Vegas at the tribal properties in CA.
I hear it is at least a few hours drive from San Jose though ... I am not sure I will have enough time (or energy) for the trip.
If that isn't bizarre enough, if a player does elect to be the banker then they also have the option of forcing the 'Corporation' to bet any amount up to something like $600 for each empty seat at the table. I was at the Hawaiian Gardens on Monday and this guy comes in, Mr. Money Bags, with about twenty $100 chips. He lays it down on one empty spot and opts to be the banker for two hands. He then points to about three empty seats and says '$100, $200, $100...' and the Corporation duly places the called for number of chips to cover the bets. After collecting the fees from everyone, the dealer then proceeds to deal to everyone including the Corporation hands. The Corporation consults his little chart and calls out to hit, double, stand, etc. for each hand he has betting. For every hand that loses, the bet goes to whoever is the 'banker' of the moment, in this case Mr. Money Bags. For every hand that wins, the corresponding bet amount is removed from the 'bankers' bet amount. If for some reason Mr. Money Bags did not bet a large enough stack to cover all the winning table bets then the Corporation covers the difference.
Get all that?
Anyways, Paradigms advice is still sound: stick to the Indian Casinos.
If for some reason Mr. Money Bags did not bet a large enough stack to cover all the winning table bets then the Corporation covers the difference.
That casino site I was reading from says that if the bank does not have enough money to cover all bets, then the remaining hands get no action (there is no mention of Corporation anywhere). That's interesting too ... if the hand gets no action, will the player get the fee he paid to play back as well?
You only pay the fee if you want the dealer to deal the cards. If there is no action then you can cancel the bet and get your fee back.
But, as the Wizard himself has stated, California rules are confusing and mysterious so who really knows what the hell is going on for sure.
Hawaiian Gardens Casino Blackjack Rules 2017
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/other-casinos/9685-opinion-on-california-bj-does-it-work/#post144170
I think it's only beatable when you find a bunch of noobs playing at the table. In this situation, it's a positive EV to play.
But it's not worth to spend time on playing this suck game. Avoid California 21th century blackjack, I hate it.
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Get all that?
Holy crap!